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Ep. 259 Why CMMC Compliance Is Now Non-Negotiable for Tech Leaders

July 22, 2025 

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Branden Reber
Ben Scudera
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390 words, 2 minutes read time.

Everybody knows the world of technology is changing on a massive scale; in the federal community, there is a similar seismic change, but it has to do with policy, not graphics chips.

In 2020, the Department of Defense aimed to ensure its suppliers had a reasonable level of cyber protection and released the first version of the Cybersecurity Maturity Model Certification (CMMC).

In subsequent years, CMMC became a “nice to have” rather than a mandate. COVID-19 drastically increased the number of remote users, federal technology was moving to the edge, and malicious actors continued to expand their attacks unremittingly. As a result of this “Perfect Storm,” regulators at the DoD have gotten serious about CMMC compliance.

In today’s interview, we sat down with two CMMC experts and discussed some of the challenges associated with completing the CMMC requirements.

Fortreum’s Ben Scudera mentions that as many as 300,000 companies may be looking at CMMC compliance. While individual companies can read the requirements, there can be misunderstandings.

So the estimates from DOD in 2022 were that there are 80,000 OSA is need level two. But that's not counting the people who bid and lose. So that estimate was up upwards of 360,000 and what's really interesting is, I mean, as I just mentioned, there's relatively few folks that have the right expertise, and there's even fewer folks that have the right level of certification to actually do these sorts of assessments.
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For example, if a company tries to define Controlled Unclassified Information, it may cast too wide a net or too narrow a net. If they are audited, the entire concept of scoping CUI can become a holdup for certification.

Early versions of CMMC allowed companies to review their capabilities and report themselves. Today’s CMMC transition is from self-attestation to external audits. These audits are challenging, with only 70 C3PAOs available to support 80,000 companies that require level 2 compliance.

The process is complex, requiring detailed data scoping and significant preparation time.

Companies must strike a balance between the costs and benefits of compliance, particularly for small businesses. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of CMMC for supply chain security and the potential for CMMC to evolve beyond federal contracting.

If you liked this interview, you may want to listen to 

  • Ep. 5 Applying Quantum Computing to Federal Challenges 
    Contextual Use: Link when discussing future threats to encryption and the urgency of compliance.

  • Ep. 4 Identity Management and Federal Systems
    Contextual Use: Use when talking about access control, user verification, or NIST-based standards

Federal Tech Podcast Ben Scudera,  Branden Reber,  CMMC,  Ep. 259,  Fortreum

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